I’m
curious: what’s your elevator pitch for your book?
Oh
god. Am I supposed to have an elevator pitch? Honestly, I don’t know. I almost
feel like this kind of summary view would be impossible for me, or maybe even
not my business to try to undertake. It’s fascinating to read the ways that
other people have described the book, and generally I think they see things
that I can’t because I’m too close to it. I know it has to do with relation:
between people, between readers and writers, between parts of the self and
kinds of poetry, between the self and the world it occupies. There. Was that an
elevator pitch?
How
did you come upon the subject of your book?
Hm.
Whatever the subject of my book is (I’m open to suggestions on this), it came
together on its own. The book has roughly twenty years of poems in it, so if it
has a theme—relation, maybe, in sticking with my elevator pitch—it was an
emergent one, not something that consciously guided the poems.
And
the title? Sometimes, it seems to me, titles can strike like lightning or can
be extraordinarily elusive. How did you go about finding your title?
The
title is a line from one of the oldest poems in the collection,
“Diner” (“the leaves sing their little arias”). It
just felt right. Later it struck me as having to do with voice, with
singularity and plurality: “arias” is plural, but the aria is typically a solo
performance. I don’t know much about opera at all, but I do remember that the
aria is a kind of counterpoint to the recitative, which narrates or tells the
story. The aria is more musical, more repetitive, maybe more of a meditative space.
It doesn’t have many words. It stuck me when I finally held this book in my
hands that, for a book that in some sense represents twenty years of work it’s
a very slight little volume; lots of white space, not many pages, no story. So
maybe the poems are the aria, and my life is the recitative? Something like
that.
Tell
us something about the most difficult thing you encountered in this book’s
journey.
Since
it was such a long journey, there were a lot of hard things. Mostly I had to
re-learn how to write after a several-year hiatus. But this also turned out to
be the best thing because when I came back to writing it was with no
expectation of publishing; poetry just felt necessary, a necessary practice.
When I started writing this way, rather than with the desire to create objects
that other people would want or admire, the poems became more interesting. That is, they became interesting as
places for me to be, and I’m hopeful that that also makes them interesting
places for readers to be.
And
the most pleasurable?
When I
was in my twenties I had some poems published in The Iowa Review. They asked me to remove a line from one of the
poems, and I did, without a second thought, thrilled as I was to be published
at all. During my final proof of the manuscript for the book I put that line
back in. It felt like sending a message to my younger self. Like, hey,
you’re okay, kid. And then, of course, hearing from readers who
are moved in some way by the book. That still feels like a miracle. Thoreau
asks in Walden, “Could a greater
miracle take place than for us to look through each other's eyes for an
instant?” I think all writing is finally premised on something like belief in
that impossible thing, that miracle. We don’t ever achieve it of course, but we
come close sometimes, or we feel like we do. We approach the neighborhood of
miracle.
What’s
the best and / or worst piece of advice (writing or publishing or similar)
you’ve gotten?
The worst thing, for me is the “you have to write
every day” thing. I don’t write every day. There were years that I didn’t
write, and sometimes even now I don’t write for weeks. When I’m not writing, I
bake, I play with my kids, I teach, I read; I think and talk and try to be a
good parent and a good friend, I pay attention to politics. I think all of those
things are as valuable as writing, and that all of them are necessary to my
writing in some way because they’re necessary to my life. It took me a long
time to realize that the particular place of writing in my life was not going
to be the same as it was for other people. George Oppen’s career is a great model
for this. Not-writing is part of writing. Silence is okay.
Tell
us one of your favorite books you’ve discovered recently and say a little about
why.
Joseph
Massey’s Illocality is wonderful for
its performance of and encouragement of a kind of meditative engagement with
the world. His poems are spare—minimalist, I guess you would say—but they’re so
expansive in their invitation to the reader. They help, you know? And then Karen Weiser’s book Or: the Ambiguities, which is a prolonged engagement with
Melville’s Pierre. I love writing
that is explicitly relational, that engages with other writing directly, and
the way Karen weaves her own experiences, and especially her experiences of profound loss,
into her thinking about Pierre is
really gorgeous and delightful.
Can
you share an excerpt from your book? Give us a taste.
Haecceity
This gossamer, this shade of mind, this breathing,
this small sleep, this Heraclitian, this circumference, this frame of
thought, this root system, this plane leaf, this noumena, this stream,
this thought that is called I, this habit, this clockwork, this handwork, this
ghost house, this neighbor, this harbor, this topography, this
desperate scraping, this language, this fractal light, this
What’s
a question you wish I asked? (And how would you answer it?)
Where
are you right now?
Answer:
in my little cinder-block walled office, drinking a cup of tea, with a pile of papers
and books next to me and threatening to topple over (The Iliad, Hegel: A Very Short Introduction, The Poems of Emily
Dickinson, Emerson: Essays and Lectures, The Ancient Greek Hero in 24 Hours,
Fear and Trembling/The Sickness unto Death), and an unopened candy bar
waiting for me to finish this interview. There’s the most beautiful soft snow
falling out the window, and I’m thinking about Emerson’s sentence in the
Divinity School Address: “The snow storm was real; the preacher merely
spectral; and the eye felt the sad contrast in looking at him, and then out of
the window behind him, into the beautiful meteor of the snow.” I’ve
been wondering all day whether I’m real like the meteor of the snow or spectral
like the preacher. I hope I’m real, but I guess you never really know.
OK,
we’re smitten. Where do we go to buy your book?
Here!
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